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Laura: Hello, and, um, welcome to another episode of Lex Education. It's the wrong coughed. I'll edit it out, but I want you to know that's why that perfect intro got mangled. It's a podcast. Hi, Ron.
Ron: I did cough. I did a big cough.
Laura: Why did you do that?
Ron: Because I had an itchy tickle in my throat.
Laura: Ugh. Uh, do you think other podcasters, like, cough and the other one just carries on and then they head out the coffin? It doesn't matter.
Ron: I don't know. You see all these videos of podcasters these days doing their podcast, and they, um, they'll. They'll be in the same room talking to microphones, and I just don't know how that works. Like, how's it not picking it up on both mics? Mad, innit?
Laura: Yeah, crazy. Sometimes with Tim and Tom, though, you. You hear the faint noises of the other one in the other mic. You know, like you'll hear one of them sneeze, but it's very obviously just what it's caught through. Say, Tom's mic if it's Tim sneezing.
Ron: Yeah, I guess because they, um. Um, because they're in the same room, I suppose it is just perfectly synced up. So when you're hearing me speak, it's covered up by what you're speaking. I guess I've just worked it out.
Listen up, listeners. The next physics episode is about nuclear stability
Laura: Listen up, listeners. It's my last day. Half a day in New Zealand today. Fly home tonight. Um, I've got one of those weird days where we're just sort of packing and charging things and trying to stop the children from unpacking and unplugging things, and we're eating all the weird stuff that's left over in the flat.
Ron: What's been left over?
Laura: Uh, we've got a weird hummus and rice concoction to have for lunch.
Ron: That sounds good.
Laura: Kind of if we had anything to go with it, to make it into. But it's literally just cooked rice mixed up with hummus.
Ron: Um, my friend Betho makes a delicious pasta salad where sort of the base of the dressing is hummus.
Laura: Yeah, Ron. And great. If we had all of those other ingredients. Delightful. We have not. We've got half a tub of hummus and a lot of basmati rice.
Ron: You could get something to go with it.
Laura: Yeah, but then we'd be wasting that too, so then we might as well.
Ron: Get a small amount of something.
Laura: We won't, though, Ron.
Ron: Get, like, one tin of sweet corn or one bell pepper.
Laura: How in the hell is a tin of sweet corn added to the mix, improving this nasty situation.
Ron: I did forget that you see no worth in vegetables. I'm sorry.
Laura: Listen, though, sweet corn is the wrong. That's wrong for rice and hummus.
Ron: I think sweet corn would be nice in the rice and the hummus.
Laura: No, it's sweet. It's a sweet corn you don't want.
Ron: You know how I, um, think you've got a childish mouth and you should eat foods that you don't like more.
Laura: Yeah.
Ron: Have you ever tried, is it pronounced tempeh or tempo?
Laura: Like the sort of. No, I haven't.
Ron: It's like made out of fermented soybeans and it looked like, um, it looks like tofu, but different. So I decided to give it a go the other day.
Laura: Yeah.
Ron: And it was so bad that I tried some out the pan while I was cooking it and had to like spit it into the bin.
Laura: Oh, wow.
Ron: I fished out every single chunk of it out of my dinner and threw it all away.
Laura: Wow.
Ron: Yeah. Which as you. You know, for me, that is. Yeah, I hated it.
Laura: Oh, that's given me flashbacks to that, um, that Szechuan dinner.
Ron: Yeah, that was fucking awful.
Laura: My sister in law was looking at the recipe for that the other day though, and she was like, that is a lot of Szechuan. I think there's a mistake in there. It's young. Hey, Megan, for the podcast.
Ron: Tell her I said, hi, Megg.
Laura: Uh, she. He says, hey, Megg. Hey, Ronnet. You heard?
Ron: I did hear.
Laura: Um, she said that was a lot of Szechuan. So I think there's a mistake in that recipe.
Ron: Um, no, I think it's just. It's supposed to be spicy.
Laura: That was too spicy, Ron. I thought it was gonna die.
Ron: Yeah, cause you're a fucking idiot.
Laura: And then I had Szechuan poisoning for like four weeks afterwards.
Ron: You didn't have Szechuan poisoning.
Laura: You just ill for ages.
Ron: You're just weak.
Laura: No, Ron, I had Szechuan poisoning. It's a thing. Uh.
Ron: So this is an episode.
Laura: Yeah, it's about nuclear
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Laura: stability. Um, and uh, I don't think we cover a lot of ground, but what we cover I really remember and it went in. It helps that we recorded the follow up episode to this yesterday, so it's firmly in my brain.
Ron: Oh my God. Are we only that far ahead?
Laura: What do you mean, Ron?
Ron: Like, we only recorded the quiz for this.
Laura: No, physics. The next physics episode.
Ron: Okay. I was like, jesus Christ, I'm going away for ages.
Laura: Yeah, no, We. We did the next physics episode, which built on this knowledge, as you love to say.
Ron: Yeah, yeah. Um, you'll see when you upload it. Um, my notes in there. It's a lot about the different tangents we went.
Laura: Yeah, we did go on a lot of tangents, but I had fun. Anyway, um, have a good listen and enjoy.
Laura was bad at pickling for some time, Laura
Is that pickled eggs?
Ron: Pickled gherkins.
Laura: Ooh. Did you pickle them?
Ron: Yeah, I've been getting into my pickling. I was bad at pickling for some time, Laura. And do you want to know why?
Laura: Uh, you weren't sterilising your jars?
Ron: No, I don't sterilise my jars, to be honest.
Laura: Whoa.
Ron: I just eat the pickles real quick.
Laura: Are, uh, you just dipping pickles in vinegar? Because that's not. That's not pickled.
Ron: Nah. But I go through about a jar of gherkins a week, so.
Laura: Are you allowed to eat that much vinegar? That feels bad for you.
Ron: No, they're really low in calories. Pickles are probably one of the best foods for you, right up there with, like, iron supplements.
Laura: But isn't it. Isn't it just full of acid?
Ron: Yeah, acid isn't bad for you.
Laura: No, but don't you need everything in moderation?
Ron: I don't think acid in moderation. I think it's just fine.
Laura: Oh, uh, okay. I just would have thought that'd be very bad for your stomach lining.
Ron: No. Because, like, the acid in your stomach is hella worse than the pickle vinegar.
Laura: Okay. La. Imagine that pickle vinegar's coming down your throat. Like, I'm the bad boy. I'm, um. Pickle vinegar and gets to your stomach and it's like, who are these guns?
Ron: No, I don't know if the pickle vinegar does think it's a bad cunt. It's like, yeah, I'm well hard. I made a gherkin go soft and shrivelled.
Laura: I reckon in the world of foodstuffs, pickle vinegar would think a lot of itself. Nah.
Ron: Uh, nothing's like, degrading. If anything, the pickle vinegar is the hospice nurse of the food world.
Laura: Do you reckon? Yeah, but like a stern, um, hospice nurse.
Ron: Yeah, like, it's keeping them going, but it's, you know, but it's replacing a lot of what they are.
Laura: Yeah. Uh, I had some light hearted chit chat all lined up ready for the top of this episode. And actually we've gone in a very.
Ron: Different direction because, you know, like, you have, like, things like ceviche and, uh, that's Fish cooked in lime juice. That lime juice is like, I've cooked your fish, mate. Now I'm gonna come and cook you not. I've preserved your gherkins.
Laura: Mmm. Pickle. M. Pickle vinegar. The Florence Nightingale of the food world.
Ron: Yeah.
Laura: How can you reuse the pickle vinegar? Or is it a one shot and done?
Ron: I think if I sterilise my jars, I might be able to reuse.
Laura: I think you need some standards in this pickle hospital that you're running.
Ron: I. I genuinely. I cane through pickles.
Laura: I'm gonna get you a steriliser for your birthday.
Ron: I don't. I don't have the counter space.
Laura: Well, you're moving.
Ron: It's my. Yeah, I've got less counter space there. Um, it's my 30th as well, please.
Laura: Yeah. I think you need a steriliser. Steriliser. Yeah. And then all your friends will be like, are you having a baby? Is it for the bottles? And you'll be like, it's for my pickle. I'm going in the other direction.
Ron: It's for my preserves. Um, no.
Laura says she accidentally used white distilled vinegar for making pickles
Anyway, the reason why I sucked at making pickles for a really long time, Laura, is because I made a fatal error. And, um, I thought white vinegar was the same as white wine vinegar. I was just using the wrong vinegar.
Laura: Oh, were you bleaching your pickles? Which one are you supposed to use?
Ron: White vinegar. White distilled vinegar.
Laura: Right. Not white wine vinegar.
Ron: No. Well, white wine vinegar
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Ron: just got a real strong winey taste to it, which.
Laura: I didn't want in the. Yeah, those are some elite pickles.
Ron: Yeah.
Laura: You'd have those in the smoking room in a. In a jacket, with a cigar.
Ron: You'd have them wherever. People love bitter, bitter things. Mum's house.
Laura: Have you experimented with other things? Can you pickle them in port? Port. Port Pickled pickles.
Ron: Um, I don't think port. Super acidic. Um, I'll tell you the other reason why, um, I don't think the pickle vinegar is, um. Uh, the bad man of the. Of even the vinegars is because you dilute it by half and add lots of sugar.
Laura: Uh. Oh. Oh, it's a cosy, fluffy nurse M. In my head, it was a bit Nurse Ratched, but actually.
Ron: No, no. Like the vinegar that you put just on your chips or something would be more vinegary.
Laura: Yeah. It's poor pickles. Ah. Uh. What a lovely way to go, though.
Ron: M in there with a bit of turmeric, maybe some peppercorns, garlic.
Laura: What's the peppercorns doing flavour. How's it getting in?
Ron: Diffusion.
Laura: I need a wee.
Ron: Mustard seeds.
Laura: You've done so much pickle chat, I now need a wee. Okay, I have peed.
Ron: Hello.
Laura: Hello.
Ron: I don't know any other podcasts where they just openly go for a piss. Well, it's a usp. I'm not criticising. I do it too, as you well know. Yeah, I'm often getting water.
Laura: Always. And if you're not getting it, you're drinking it, mate. Um, here's the thing, Ron. Our podcast has a very DIY aesthetic. Um, it's uh, you either love it or you hate it and um, or you just ignore it. Um, do you want to hear my chit chat that I had for the top of the show, Ron?
Ron: Yeah.
Laura: Um, wait, what lesson is this? 216.
Ron: I can't believe we're 16 episodes into a level.
Laura: Why don't I have any? Oh, that's why. Um, I saw on a thing that Michael Sher and Amy Poehler are uh, making a new show together. It's called the Dig.
Ron: I think about palaeontologists.
Laura: Not really sure. Didn't read very much of it. Let's have a look.
Ron: M not a 2021 drama. History with Ralph Fiennes and Carrie Mulligan Dig.
Laura: Sorry, not the dig. Uh, uh, based on a Kate Myers novel, Excavations.
Ron: So when I type in dig into my Google, um, for the. Well, our Google I suppose, for the podcast. Two previous searches, Digging Jim and Digital Dan.
Laura: Oh, Ron. It is about archaeology. Four women working at an archaeological dig in Greece are at wildly different crossroads in their life. When the team uncovers a long buried secret with the potential to rewrite history, they find themselves at the centre of a high stakes international conspiracy.
Ron: That sounds delightful. Yeah, I uh, I'm watching the second season of the Rehearsal at the moment and I can't recommend it enough. It's insane.
Laura: The Rehearsal?
Ron: Yeah, it's the uh, you should watch it. It's Nathan Fielder from.
Laura: Oh yeah, you love him.
Ron: He's so funny.
Laura: Younger sister of the podcast. And I watched six out of eight episodes of one series last night. That's a lot of TV for us. Um, the four Seasons.
Tina Fey's latest film premiered on Netflix and we loved it
It's new on Netflix and it's Tina Fey and it's a uh, recreation of an old Alan Alder film I think.
Ron: Interesting.
Laura: Yeah, very middle aged. Very appropriate for us. We loved it. We've got two more to watch, but quite frankly it got to five past 11 and we were both exhausted.
Ron: You guys are cool.
Laura: Yeah, boy.
Alright, Laura, should we dive into some stuff? Yeah, physics. What did we do last time
Ron: Alright, Laura, should we dive into some stuff?
Laura: Yeah, physics. Physics.
Ron: You know what I'm gonna ask you.
Laura: What did we do last time?
Ron: Yeah, don't do it in that voice. Like it's not a reasonable question.
Laura: What did we do? Oh, yeah, it was fun, actually. We did the fundamental forces. And, uh, we did the. The shape of the shells. Coulomb.
Ron: Um, shape of the shells.
Laura: Yeah, the. The particle. The electron shells.
Ron: That was chemistry ages ago.
Laura: Oh, okay. Uh, uh, okay. We did particles and radiation. SI unit equals charge equals Coulomb proton equals 1.6. Coulomb times 10 to the -19 neutron is naught. Uh, we did the mass of things. Oh, gosh. Then it all got big. Then we went into hadrons, quarks, baryons and mesons.
Ron: Yeah. What is a, um, what's a hadron?
Laura: Ah, it's made of quarks.
Ron: Yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool, cool, cool. We're going some more into nucleuses and radiation gubbins smaller than atoms.
Laura: Subatomic particles.
Ron: Subatomic particles, indeed. We're going to talk about nuclear stability. The little bit.
Laura: Laura, stability has never been my strong point.
Ron: Mhm. Maybe I should check. We've done all of the. All of the last bit.
Laura: Oh, yeah. It would be so great if you knew what we were doing.
Ron: Shut up. You. You swan up to these sessions and you just expect me to have done everything?
Laura: Yep.
Ron: Oh, God. Oh, uh, no. Uh, um, all right, let me read this. Real. We'll do that next time.
Laura: But we won't. That was a real Ron Howard moment there, wasn't it?
We're going to talk about nuclear stability today, Laura
Ron: Um, all right, we're going to talk about nuclear stability. Uh, I can wrap this in. We're going to talk about nuclear stability today, Laura. Um, the first thing that we're going to learn when we're talking about nuclear stability is a little bit of notation. Okay.
Laura: Okay.
Ron: So we're going to be talking a lot about isotopes, because different isotopes of atoms represent. React in different ways. They have different stability.
Laura: Switching off. Uh, I'm going to a fish market today.
Ron: For fish. Yeah, I've got a fish story for you. So usually, um, on Mondays, I go over to sports correspondent Max's house, um, and we play Dungeons and Dragons. Rad friend of the podcast. Noah, uh, dials in from Germany. Danny Pack comes over from his house nearby. We have a lovely time. We try and do sort of semi communal dinners. Everyone brings a little bit of something. We make it when we're there. It's all real nice.
Laura: Noah's just licking his webcam.
Ron: Uh, yeah, well, He's a filthy vegan, so he eats tofu and rice, I think, most days. Um, yeah. Uh, I wanted to do a big cook yesterday, so I whipped out the metscal cookbook that you bought me. Probably my favourite cookbook I've ever owned. Love it. Yes. Um, if I had one criticism of it, I think she uses the same flavour profile too much. Lots of it is, uh, chipotle, cumin and lime. Um, but that's just me. Um, I decided to make the prawn croquettes.
Laura: Mmm.
Ron: And with jalapenos, chives. It's delicious. A bit of an annoying bit. I was reading the. I was reading the recipe and I was like, oh, uh, that's interesting. I'm surprised that you throw all of the milk in there at once. If I was to guess, I'd say you should pour in the milk a little bit at a time. Poured in all the milk at once. It went bad. Should have done it with my intuition, you know. Um, but anyway, so I go through all of this. I've bought maybe six pounds of prawns.
Laura: Um, I've made illebles or gbp.
Ron: Um, gbp.
Laura: Okay. Um.
Ron: I, uh. Yeah, I've made it into the croquettes. This is 20 minutes before I'm supposed to be at Maxis. He goes, oh, I'm in Northampton this week, so I'll be dialling it. So I just had to eat loads of prawn croquettes
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Ron: for dinner. I didn't really have a proper dinner because all I ate was prawn croquettes.
Laura: So you just ate 1 million croquettes?
Ron: Yeah, it was like, at least 10.
Laura: That sounds delicious.
Ron: It was really good. It was a really bougie beige tea.
Laura: Yeah, yeah. Did you air fry them?
Ron: No. Deep fat fried them.
Laura: Whoa.
Ron: Yeah, well, because, um. Because of this milk debacle, as previously mentioned, the mixture was a lot looser than I would have wanted it to be. So I did try and air fry, but they sagged and gooped.
Laura: Yeah. Sometimes the air fryer, like, blasts things apart. You cannot do tempura in an air fryer.
Ron: No, no, you can't.
Laura: You end up with a tempura pancake at the bottom and naked food.
Ron: Yeah. But, um, they were delish. Can't recommend that cookbook enough. The prawn lasagna was a massive hit. Um, I made. I made pancetta, uh, papadelli from it the other day. Um, wasn't mind blowing, but only took 15 minutes. And it was very good for Something that only took 15 minutes.
All right, well, it's been a while since you came to my house
Laura: All right, well, it's been a while since you came to my house and cooked me. Let's rectify that.
Ron: Yeah, I've actually found a way that I can get work to pay for me to come to your house again. I've got a client in Brighton, meetings with them. Well, she's in Eastbourne, which is a bit of a fuck, but. Oh, well.
Laura: But anyway, if you've got free accommodation in Brighton, that saves the company money.
Ron: Yeah, that's true.
Laura: You need to. You need to cuddle that client, keep them safe.
Ron: I think he's a good client. Um, yeah.
Laura: We need a notation for describing the different nucleuses that we want to build
Anyway, Laura, so we need a little bit of a notation for describing the different nucleuses that we want to build. Talk about.
Laura: Okay, we sure do, Ron. You can't speak eloquently without a language.
Ron: Well said. Hear, hear. Um, so the way that we do this, what I want you to draw is a big X and then to the top left of it, a capital.
Laura: A small capital A, but small. Yeah.
Ron: And then underneath that. Underneath that a. A small capital Z.
Laura: Well, listen, a capital Z and a baby Z are the same thing.
Ron: So.
Laura: So you can't say a small capital Z because you just. A small Z is fine.
Ron: I can say it because it still gets the point across.
Laura: It's the same.
Ron: Yeah.
Laura: So there's no need to say capital.
Ron: This isn't. This isn't making you seem cool or clever. This. This is a bad look for you.
Laura: No, it's not. Because it's already a bit of a head slam to say a small capital A, because a small A is normally a separate thing. So that was already a head wibble. And then you said a small capital Z and I was like, wait, what's a capital Z? Um, and I think of a zebra when I think of a Z. So that was difficult.
Ron: What was the zebra?
Laura: Goddam. What did you say?
Ron: I said, what's the zebra got to do?
Laura: Well, because for a second I was like, am I supposed to draw a zebra?
Ron: Why would you draw a zebra?
Laura: Because that's what Z is.
Ron: But they don't look like zeds.
Laura: No, but they do. The pattern is kind of Z Ish. Zub, zub, zub. You know, they're all covered in zub zubs.
Ron: I could imagine a Z with zebra stripes, but.
Laura: Yeah, but I think you could imagine a Z on a zebra.
Ron: No.
Laura: Uh, yes.
Ron: An N maybe.
Laura: Yeah. And say you're lying on the ground with your head on your side. That's gonna look like a Z.
Ron: Now We're a far cry from the zebra that we're imagin. Laura. The king of letters is obviously the S because the S looks like a snake and snake starts with an S and they say suh.
Laura: Yeah, that is pretty cool.
Ron: Yeah, like that's, that's what you don't try and make Z the prince of letters. Zed is a F tier, uh, letter.
Laura: Can I tell you my guilty secret about Z?
Ron: Do you call it C in your head?
Laura: I think it makes much more sense to call it a Z. I think Z is far better.
Ron: I. I'm not a purist when it comes to, like, UK spelling. Um, I, I'm kind of with the Americans that we don't need U's everywhere.
Laura: Yeah, I'd agree.
Ron: And if you
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Ron: were to write something like, um, I don't know, colourize or something that's a ZED sound, not an S sound.
Laura: Maybe we're secret Americans.
Ron: Well, we were. Well, at least I was raised by American television in a large part.
Laura: So, yeah, the Z for S doesn't bother me so much. But, um.
Ron: Oh, it doesn't bother me. I'm.
Laura: If you get to the end of the Alphabet, Z makes way more sense than zed.
Ron: Yeah. Because it's not like there's any other letters that you know. It's not a bed. Said dead.
Laura: Head. Cad. Lead Ned.
Ron: That, uh, would be led. Mednet.
Laura: Odd.
Ron: Uh, Elenor.
Laura: Ah, Lead Mednet. Odd pad. Anyway.
No other podcast has family sneaking about Wetley in the background
Ron: Can you show me what you drew when I was giving me that janky ass description?
Laura: I did it.
Ron: Okay, I see. Yeah, that was my mistake. The Z's at the bottom of the.
Laura: X. Oh, you said under the A. Yeah, I did.
Ron: Because in the drawing that I'm looking at of it, it is under the A because the A is bigger than the one that you've drawn. But I didn't get communicate that to you, Laura.
Laura: So is it on the left foot of the X?
Ron: Yeah, basically. Let me show you what I was describing and we'll have a. Have a top laugh about it.
Laura: Oh, no.
Ron: Are people back?
Laura: Oh, no. The family's back.
Ron: Oh, no.
Laura: There's a lot of very wet people sneaking back into the flat. Are you being very quiet? You're sneaking. Okay, you're gonna sneak under the bed. M. Okay. What's happened here, Ron, is I've done the X far bigger than the A and the Z.
Ron: Yes.
Laura: The scale is all off. Okay, I've got it now.
Ron: Yeah, but I've. That was my mistake, not yours.
Laura: Most of this podcast is.
Ron: Rough. So the Z, Laura, that's going to stand for the proton number, AKA the atomic number. Okay?
Laura: A is the atomic number.
Ron: Note the Z. Ah, hang on.
Laura: Right, Say that again. I was distracted by a sneaking family.
Ron: That's sneaking fam. Uh, the Z, Laura, is the proton number.
Laura: That's the other thing, though, Ron. Yes, we piss a lot. But also, no other podcast has family sneaking about Wetley in the background. I just think. I just think it's part of the rich tapestry that makes this podcast unique. Now the wet family are all going into a bed. That bed's going to be damp.
Ron: All of them.
Laura: Uh, two so far. It was very funny yesterday. We were on a bus and, uh. Oh, uh, what was happening? I think nephew of the podcast was poking child of the podcast. And then younger sister of the podcast was like, everything you do to her, I'm going to do to you in the middle of the night. Oh, no, sorry. That was husband of the podcast said that, blah, blah, blah. And then, uh, and then younger sister of the podcast lent over and kissed a child of the podcast, and nephew of the podcast went, now Uncle Tom's gonna do that to you in the middle of the night. Did he, uh, maybe he did get up at about 4am did he come and kiss you? He did not. He did not. That they're telling me about.
Z is the number of protons, and that's the atomic number
Um, so Z is the number of protons, and that's the atomic number.
Ron: Yep.
Laura: Well, when you've got an A sitting there, why would you make Z mean the atomic number?
Ron: Because the A is the nuclide number.
Laura: Well, that makes no sense.
Ron: Sorry. Nucleon number. Do you know what a nucleon is?
Laura: Um, the weight of the nucleus.
Ron: Sort of. Yeah. Well, it's the number of protons and neutrons, basically, so.
Laura: Yes.
Ron: Yeah. In relative mass. Yeah.
Laura: Yes. I'm so smart. What's that?
Ron: No, M. That. Well, that's whatever element we're talking about. So you could have, you know, if that was a C, you'd have carbon. And then you could have a 6 for the Z and a, uh, 12
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Ron: for the A. And that would be our old friend carbon12.
Laura: We love that tiny mole. Mole. Mole. Mole.
Ron: So, Laura, um, the first, uh, the first 20, um, elements, um, all tend to have, uh. So we need to introduce another piece of notation into this. Um, a capital N. Uh, means the number of neutrons.
Laura: Where does that go?
Ron: It's not a part of this. It's something else. Don't worry about it. But if you see an N. Capital N. That's the neutron number. So the first, um, the first 20, uh, elements. Um, N. Ah.
Laura: Equals A minus Z. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ron: Well done. Um, they all tend to have, uh. Yeah. Um, equal numbers of N and Z. Okay.
Laura: Right.
Ron: Protons and neutrons tend to be the.
Laura: Same in the first 20 elements in the first 20.
Ron: Yeah. So Z1 through 20 tends to be N1 through 20 at the same time. These are very, very stable. And they're the most common elements in the universe.
Laura: The most common elements, um, in the universe.
Ron: Can you think why they would be the most common elements?
Laura: What's. Why now? I thought we had a Z and N first.
Ron: Beast.
Laura: Sorry, say that again, Ron.
Ron: Can you think why they'd be the most common elements in the universe?
Laura: Uh, because they're not always changing into other things. Because they're fine as they are.
Ron: Because they're stable. Absolutely, yeah.
Laura: Ah, they're just cracking on. They're living their lives.
Ron: And because they're smaller, if other things are decaying, they'd be decaying into them.
Laura: Yeah. They don't need to be on social media all the time.
Ron: The other one of the real common elements in the universe is iron, which has a z number of 26 and an N number of 30. So it's kind of the one that bucks the trend.
Laura: Z26, N30. Uh, yeah.
Ron: Which I think the reason for that sort of bucket.
Laura: Doesn't iron also have a really stupid letter?
Ron: Fe.
Laura: That's stupid.
Ron: I think somewhere in the Greek or the Latin or something for ferrous. That's like, you know, like a ferrous wheel, a big iron wheel.
Laura: Is that where that comes from?
Ron: No, absolutely not. It's where, like, ferrous metals come from. The ones that are attracted to magnets. Um, I believe the reason why iron is so abundant.
Laura: Do you reckon Ferris was just a guy?
Ron: Yeah. Like Ferris Bueller.
Laura: Yeah. I'm glad they're not called Bueller. Wheels.
Ron: Wheel. Ferris wheel. Bueller. There's something in that M. I don't know.
I started watching Succession and I'm only five episodes in
Laura: I think the, uh, Ed Baird said dead is more something than Ferris wheel Buell. Yeah. I just don't know where we're going with Ferris wheel Bueller.
Ron: I think a big wheel rolling away from a school, causing havoc in a town. I've never seen Ferris wheel. Ferris wheel. Bueller's Tale.
Laura: I can see it as a cutaway gag on the Simpsons.
Ron: Yeah. Or a 30 Rock kind of.
Laura: Yeah, yeah.
Ron: I can see Tina Fey pulling off that joke.
Laura: Yeah. Wow. She was wearing a dress that we really liked. In this four season show. And so I googled it and it was 700 pounds and we both stopped liking it after that.
Ron: I think Tina fey wears a £700 dress to the toilet.
Laura: Yeah. But it was like, I mean, it kind of is one of those shows about like North East US Couples where money is no object, you know, so you're like, okay, there's a certain level of Hamptons living in this show that you just have to get on board with. But then when she's just cash just rocking a 700 pound dress just as a like, oh, this is just the dress I'm wearing. You're like about.
Ron: I started watching Succession.
Laura: Oh, yeah. I tried to watch that on the aeroplane.
Ron: I like it, but it's really one note.
Laura: Yeah. I assume it's a builder and a grower, but it
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Laura: didn't grip me like other dramas that I love have gripped me.
Ron: Yeah. I'm like five episodes in. I'm sticking it on like when I'm doing the washing up, but who knows if I'll finish it? I probably won't. I don't finish shows I like quite a lot.
Laura: No, I think I'm probably at a similar place to you and I'm like, I assume this gets really good when the dad wakes up properly.
Ron: Oh, I'm at that bit.
Laura: He's like groggy awake in the bit that I'm on. Uh, yeah, like stuck his daughter's hand on his knob.
Ron: Yeah, no, I'm a couple of episodes past that.
Laura: Okay.
Ron: Yeah. Ah.
Laura: I don't know if an aeroplane whilst trying to keep a three year old happy was the best place to really try and get lost in a drama series.
Ron: Yeah, I don't think that's what they imagined when they made the show.
Ron says he watched A Few Good Men on flight from Dubai to New Zealand
Laura: Did I tell you how long it took me to watch one film on the aeroplane?
Ron: No.
Laura: Nine and a half hours.
Ron: What film?
Laura: A Few Good Men.
Ron: That's such a weird choice.
Laura: It's the most committed to that film anyone has ever been. I watched it in four minute bursts over the course of half my flight from Dubai to New Zealand, constantly interrupted by child of the podcast needing stuff.
Ron: Why? Why on earth? What's that?
Laura: Well, it was quite good.
Ron: You don't like films.
Laura: No, but it was really hard to watch Succession.
Ron: I really don't think you especially probably don't like what looks to. Oh, no, it's a legal drama.
Laura: Yeah, I like a legal drama, Ron. I'm a big fan of a legal drama.
Ron: It's a legal drama based on a play.
Laura: Yeah. By Aaron Sorkin, though.
Ron: Yeah. I'm just saying.
Laura: One of television's greatest writers.
Ron: It's very upmarket, uh, for you to be watching this kind of. Why didn't you watch some trash? Why were you watching Succession and this?
Laura: Because trash wouldn't grip me, you know? And when you've got that much time and you're just. You need something that's gonna suck you in. Like a heavy legal drama about US naval politics.
Ron: Well, it's directed by Rob Reiner.
Laura: He's. Who's he? He's not the one from 30 first dates.
Ron: No, he's. He's the, um. He's Jess's dad. A new girl.
Laura: Who's Rob Reiner? Hang on, I'm gonna have a look. I getting him muddled up with Judge Rinder and Arya. Yeah, I reckon. Who's. Who's Adam Sandler's mate.
Ron: Jerry.
Laura: Rob Schneider. Uh. That's it.
Ron: That's so different.
Laura: He's different.
Ron: Imagine if Rob Schneider directed A Few Good Men. That would be so rogue.
Laura: Yeah, I think it'd be a very different film.
Ron: Yeah. From the creators of Juice Bigelow, A Few Good Men. Anyway, Laura.
Laura: A Few Good Men's Dicks.
Ron: We used to have. Remember, uh, when Megan, I think she turned 12 or 15, and she was allowed to have a 12 or 15 film, and mum and dad bought her the Animal with Rob Schneider. I've seen that film so many times because at the time we had, like, four VHS that weren't, like, terrible period dramas that Mum was watching.
Laura: I don't know if I know the Animal.
Ron: It's a bad film. And, like, it's a bad film because she was old enough to watch it. And then I was just watching it. But I'm five years younger than her.
Laura: I don't remember this film. I must have left home by then.
Ron: Anyway. Yeah. Laura.
Laura: Was he found in a jungle?
Ron: No, I can't. He becomes an animal. He, like, he. He meets a girl who's like. And it's really depressing that this is the storyline, but he's, like, super into the environment and stuff. And then he becomes an animal somehow and wins her over by being an animal.
Marvin Mange is an evidence clerk at Elkerton police precinct
Laura: Marvin Mange is an evidence clerk at, uh, the local Elkerton police precinct who dreams of becoming an officer like his late father. Daddy issues. He repeatedly fails the physical examination, though. He is smitten with environmentalist Rhianna Holmes, but fumbles on a first encounter with her. He gets a. Oh. He meets a mad scientist. He's rescued by Dr. Wilder, who saves his life by replacing
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Laura: his damaged body parts with animal organs. Days later, Marvin, unaware of what happened, resumes his normal life, but discovers that he can now perform extraordinary feats and possesses keen animal like instincts. Right. Oh, and it ends with somebody getting a Nobel Prize. Wow.
Ron: I remember that first meeting that he really messes up with the, the environmentalist. Um, they're in a bathroom for some reason and he uh, takes way too many paper towels to dry his hands.
Laura: Right. Wow.
Ron: Anyway, Laura, after the first 20 elements, um, the uh.
Laura: Would that put you off on a date if somebody used loads of paper? Oh, because she's an environmentalist. Yeah, yeah.
Ron: So it's wasting the trees.
Laura: Yeah. Uh, that makes sense. There's a through line.
Ron: Anyway, Laura.
Laura: Yeah, we got four minutes, Ron.
Ron: After the first 20 minutes to let.
Laura: The wet family out the bedroom.
Ron: After the first 20 elements there start being more neutrons than protons in the uh, in the nuclei.
Laura: More neutrons than protons.
Ron: Yeah.
Laura: Okay.
Ron: When you plot all of the elements on a graph with N as the y axis and Z as the x axis.
Laura: Yeah.
Ron: You could do, ah, a line of best fit through it that sort of cuts them all in half. Okay, what? Some half of the elements above, half of the elements below.
Laura: Oh, okay.
Ron: Yeah. Um, the, the elements above this line where they're 10. This is called the line of stability.
Laura: Are you bashing your microphone? What is wobbling on your desk?
Ron: Oh, because I'm drawing stuff on the table with my fingers while I'm talking.
Laura: I'm doing that. It's an audio medium. We've already been pissing and having families sneaking about. Now you're scraping away.
Ron: I, um. Yeah, we've not gone through anything. This is the saved, um, the elements above this line, Laura. They will emit beta minus particles.
Laura: No, you can't just throw that out. What are you, alpha radiation? The ones above the line have more nucleuses than protons.
Ron: Neutrons. Yeah, than protons.
Laura: So elements with more neutrons than protons.
Ron: Well, at this, at this point they've all got more neutrons than protons. But the ones that have more than average sway towards neutrons above the line of stability. Laura.
Laura: Yeah, but I didn't really understand that bit because you didn't show it to me.
Ron: Hang on, I'm sending it.
Laura: No, uh, I need a Wii again.
Ron: Well then we're over, we're done.
Laura: You've muted your right, you've sent me some sort of graph. Uh, oh, okay, so I've got neutral number going up. Uh, I've got Proton number going across the line of stability. Yeah. Okay. That goes sort of vaguely through the middle. And then you've got.
Ron: You see that the line of stability, it. It kink, kinks up.
Laura: After 20, it goes evenly to 20 and, um, then it gets a little steeper.
Ron: Yeah. And then all of the. The crosses are atoms, all that are above. So you remember there's three types of radiation. Alpha, beta and gamma. So you see up at the top there, the heavy, heavy, um, nuclei. They're the alpha emitters. They're all underneath the line of stability.
Laura: Yeah.
Ron: Then slightly lower than that, we have all of the beta emitters. The ones on top of the line are the beta minus emitters, and the ones below are the beta positive.
Laura: And what is a beta?
Ron: A beta radiation is where it emits an electron.
Laura: Right.
Ron: Do you remember what alpha radiation is?
Laura: No.
Ron: It's where it emits essentially
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Ron: a helium nucleus, so two neutrons and two protons. Um, the beta minus is normal beta radiation that we think of where it emits an electron. Beta plus is where it emits a positron, which is an antimatter particle electron.
Laura: And I think that is a good place to finish.
Okay. And just give this a little brush over, uh, at the beginning of next lesson
Ron: Okay.
Laura: And just give this a little brush over, uh, at the beginning of next lesson.
Ron: We've done fuck all.
Laura: Yeah. But we've had a lovely time.
Ron: Yeah. We aren't chatting enough, so we have to chat here.
Laura: Yeah, Maybe that's the way it should be.
All right. We didn't really do much in this episode, so I feel pretty good about quizzing
All right. We didn't really do much in this episode, so I feel pretty good about quizzing.
Ron: Oh, yeah, we're doing the quiz.
Laura: Yeah.
Ron: I was reading the Wikipedia entry for carnivals. That's actually really. There's some good stuff in there. We'll definitely do that. Detention.
Laura: Okay, I'm in. Um.
What are the three different types of radiation? Alpha, beta and gamma
Ron: All right, Laura. Uh, yeah, we. We did not a lot. Um, so the quiz that we're going to be doing, uh, it also. It really tapered off, so I don't know when you stopped listening, but, Laura, what are the three different types of radiation?
Laura: Alpha, beta and gamma.
Ron: Yeah. And what are those?
Laura: We did not talk about this.
Ron: We have talked about this.
Laura: Oh, stop springing stuff from months ago into the quiz. It's evil.
Ron: Well, it's about learning, isn't it?
Laura: Um, alpha is when protons get fired out. Beta is when electrons get fired out. And gamma is, uh, when a hole. No, wait, I think alpha is when a hydrogen particle gets fired out. Gonna say that. Beta is.
Ron: What's a hydrogen particle?
Laura: It's, uh, it's a. It's a. Is it one neutron and one proton or two of each.
Ron: Take a look at a periodic table.
Laura: Don't have one. Hang on, let me find a periodic table. It's 1.1watt. It's just got a weight of one.
Ron: So what is that one, do you think?
Laura: One, one proton.
Ron: Yeah. Hydrogen's just a proton.
Laura: Yeah.
Ron: Electron flying around it.
Laura: Great. So I was right. Alpha bet radiation is a proton.
Ron: That means you are right.
Laura: Alpha radiation is a proton being fired out. Uh, beta is electrons being fired out, and gamma is. What m. Should we call gamma? Uh, neutrons being fired out.
Ron: Four marks out of six.
Laura: Okay. Happy with that?
Ron: Alpha, beta, and gamma are, of course, the different types of radiation. So that was three marks generously. Um, but alpha radiation is a helium nucleus.
Laura: Oh, damn it.
Ron: Getting fired out. So what's a helium nucleus?
Laura: A proton and a neutron.
Ron: Where's that coming from? Where have you got. Look at the periodic table.
Laura: Yeah, it's got a weight of two.
Ron: No, it doesn't.
Laura: I was going four. Yeah, it's two neutrons, two protons.
Ron: There we go. Yeah, that. That's alpha radiation. Beta radiation, you correctly said, was, um, an electron being fired out. And then gamma radiation is electromagnetic radiator is. Yeah, electromagnetic radiation. So it's in the same spectrum of energy as visible light, but just much higher energy.
Laura: Right.
Ron: A much shorter wavelength, higher frequency.
Laura: I'll remember that for next time.
Ron: I don't think it even really went in then. You were looking off to the distance
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Ron: and it was a. Yeah, it's clear from your vacant expression.
What's the line of stability, Laura? Now, listen, Ron
Um, all right, Laura, for how many elements Does N = Z?
Laura: 20.
Ron: Yes. What was the exception to that? Like, of the. The common ones? That's very stable.
Laura: Was it iron?
Ron: It was iron.
Laura: Um, I remember talking about iron.
Ron: Another two marks for. Yeah. What's the line of stability, Laura?
Laura: Now, listen, Ron, that's a lie. Where if you plot all the elements on a graph, that's like, um, neutron to proton ratio, the line of stability is like a line that you can draw up the middle of it sort of bisects the results that you put on the graph.
Ron: And, um, what's the difference between the elements that are above it and below it?
Laura: It's the radiation they emit and above the line of immortality they emit. It's opposite kins to what you think they emit beta negative radiation. And if it's down below, it's beta positive. And then there was a bunch of yellow ones at the top, and I can't remember what they were.
Ron: Yeah, I'll Give you that. Well done. Where do the alpha rooms sound a.
Laura: Bit more enthusiastic, please?
Ron: Really nice.
Laura: Thank you. Your reaction is the same whether I'm a genius or a goose.
Ron: No, I'm quite rude. If you're a goose. Um, where do the alpha emitters sit?
Laura: Oh, are they the weird yellow ones at the top?
Ron: Yeah, that actually was my, uh, next question even before you said that. So lucky bins for you.
Laura: Not lucky bins. Smart bins.
Ron: Yeah, good stuff, man. Um, hey, thanks, brah. Really well done, dude. Um, yeah, that's the quiz then.
Laura: I smashed that. And there is so little enthusiasm coming off you.
Ron: I'll be honest. Look, I'm still reading about Carnival.
Laura: Well, we're back to the delightful backdrop sound of my child screaming in fury at, uh, her aunt.
Laura: I think lead made Ned odd bed made me laugh the most
Ron: Uh, I thought what we could do in the outro here, Laura, was we could just decide together what this episode's gonna be called. Okay, so your options are Milk debacle. Ooh, Hospice nurse of the food world, covered in zub zubs. Let med Ned odd ped that sneaking family, or sneaking about wetly.
Laura: Uh, I think lead made Ned odd bed made me laugh the most. It's not good for our search engine optimization. No, but it is.
Ron: But it's any of this.
Laura: No, I don't know who this is good for, but it's not humans.
Ron: But as people can tell from when I was reading those out, um, we make ourselves laugh.
Laura: Ah, the sneaking wet family.
Ron: That was a great bit.
Laura: That was a good bit. I'm glad that my trip to New Zealand has been immortalised in records.
Ron: M Like, all of the interesting swathes of our lives.
Laura: Well, I do think if we ever did a listen back, it would be because we did accidentally, like, capture two of the biggest moments in our lives in podcasting. Like your year of grief.
Ron: Summer.
Laura: Yeah, grief summer and my first year of motherhood. And it's all just there in recorded. Um, and then us, like, finding our feet again and cracking on, like. It's quite an interesting time capsule.
Ron: We could, um, we could do a listen back thing on the Patreon. We listen back to episodes and discuss it.
Laura: Yeah, that's fun. Let's do that.
Ron: Yeah.
Laura: Um, okay, well, thanks for listening. You've been wonderful as ever. I just want to do another shout out to two listeners, Georgina, who I met up
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Laura: with in Wellington. Um, hello to you, and thank you very much for a delicious breakfast. And next time, more sightseeing. And another huge thank you to Lindsay, who just saved our bacon by lending us a load of toys here in New Zealand so that the kids were entertained when they were at home. We're so, so, so, so, so grateful and thank you so much.
Ron: Um, and I just want to say, uh, we haven't had many registers to do recently, which is fine. Times are hard. This, um, podcast is mid at best. Uh, but if you wanted to get a shout out and uh, and um, uh, you know, contribute uh, to the show even if you can't afford or just don't want to join the Patreon, a five star review with a little, with some nice words would go a long way. Helps more people find the podcast as well. Yeah, and we'll give you a shout out in this sort of segment here now.
Laura: And sharing it on social media is so helpful. I do think the discord was the, um, death sentence to this podcast because as soon as all the chat about how much fun it was went behind a paywall, um, it's been very hard to pick up new listeners. Um, so any sharing you can do out in the big wide world. Although I do also appreciate that, um, our listeners are sort of people that don't want to talk to anybody in the big outside world because, um, we're all insular folk. But hey, we love you and um, we'll see you next week. Which probably actually next week the intro would just be me, maybe with younger sister of the podcast or husband of the podcast because Ron is disappearing off for a couple of weeks and where I have to drag my microphone around to just record for when I'm away. Ron chooses not to.
Ron: Yep, Ron celebrates a healthy work life balance. Um, goodbye. I mean. Clustersmiths.
Laura: It.
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