Hate Crime Against Bank Holidays

 Hate Crime Against Bank holidays

Welcome to another episode of Lex Education. It's the comedy science podcast

Laura: Foreign.

Laura: Foreign. Hello and welcome to another episode of Lex Education. It's the comedy science podcast where comedian me, Laura Lex, tries to learn science m fiction from her nerdy. Very tired, late at night, little owl boy, Ron.

Ron: Hello, I'm, um, Ron.

Laura: Aw, poor Ronnie honks. He's very tired today because time difference means it's a night record for Ron and a morning record for me. And, uh, Ron's had real job stuff to do all day, so he's a little sleepy boy.

Ron: I've been at what might be hell on earth.

Laura: Oh, no. I used to hate those when I had a corporate job.

Ron: Yeah. The Excel Centre in London is a truly just strange place. It's just like being in the. The lobby of an airport.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: Without the excitement of going anywhere. It's. You're there, it's you. There were two trade shows on simultaneously today.

Laura: Oh, no.

Ron: Uh, and so it's. It's you people from a completely different industry. And then like three or four rooms of uni students doing exams. So there's just random kids everywhere.

Laura: Oh, wow. And you haven't even had your job that long. Were you having to try and sell it to people?

Ron: Oh, yeah, yeah. That's easy.

Laura: He's a master salesman.

Ron: I'm very good at what I do.

Laura: Me too, Ron.

Yesterday we went to the Weta Live experience at the Sky Tower

Ron: Yeah, Tell me about Zeeland.

Laura: Um, yesterday I went to the Weta Live experience.

Ron: Um, younger sister Weta is in, like, the. The bug.

Laura: Yes, the Wetter workshop. They did all the prosthetics and stuff for Lord of the Rings. Oh, that's how they got famous. Um, but yesterday we went to their experience at the Sky Tower. Um, so we looked at, like, the workshops for three movies that they have up. Uh, I think probably out. Um, that was lots of fun. Um, younger sister of the podcast finds the Wetter Experience very funny. That it's just called the Wetter Experience. And then while we were still finding it funny that we were going to a wetter experience, we found a restaurant in Auckland that is called Monsoon Poon.

Ron: Oh, no. Was, uh, it wetter in the Poon?

Laura: Must have been. There was a monsoon.

Ron: Is that Pune spelled as in Pune?

Laura: No, P O, O, N. Because I think.

Ron: I don't know how it's pronounced, if it's Poon or Pune or Poon a or something. I think that's a place in India.

Laura: But it was P O, N. Was.

Ron: It a strip club?

Laura: No, it was. I think it was an Indian restaurant. So perhaps it's a different spelling of the place that you were mentioning. But, um, it's certainly very funny to the English language speaker.

Ron: I like that they called it the Sky Tower.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: Just feels like all towers are kind of sky towers.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: You wouldn't call it the ground mine.

Laura: You should. Then more people would know where it was. Yeah, um, it was great fun. We went up then to the 60th floor and I wasn't really sure because we're staying on the 16th floor. I was like, oh, uh, we've done quite a lot of looking at the view of the. The city, you know. Then we went up to the 60th floor and it was amazing. You see so much of the city, but also because Auckland is so on the water, you saw all of the coastal bits and how many different islands there are just off the mainland and stuff. It was really cool.

Ron: That is cool. I wonder how high up I've ever been in a building. Yeah, I. I don't know.

Laura: I regret not going to the top of the Burj Khalifa when I was in Dubai.

Ron: Were you scared? Were you scared?

Laura: I wasn't scared. I was just on my own and at that point I didn't have loads of money and it was like, I can do maybe one touristy thing while I'm here and I chose an evening in the desert over the top of the Burj Khalifa.

Ron: Oh, yeah. That's cool though.

Laura: Yeah, the evening in the desert was great fun. But just the other people I was travelling with just were not interested in anything because they'd been so many times. So it was one of those trips that's kind of tricky.

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Ron: I have no interest in going to Dubai.

Laura: No, I didn't think I would go back again unless it was a super well paid gig. I would throw my morals in the bin for that. Um, but no, I was there for like 10 days, I think. And partly, yeah, I was bored because I was on my own and partly it was summer, so it was so hot you just couldn't like, you couldn't go to the beach, it was too hot. Um, and I think if you want nice hotels and sitting around and stuff, it was fine. But there wasn't a lot else. It's not my sort of holiday place.

Ron: Yeah.

Not everywhere does carnival. Yeah, it's not a thing everywhere

Laura: Next week I'm off to Wellington.

Ron: Wow, that's close to Taunton. Going to carnival.

Laura: It's a different Wellington actually, Ron, and I think you knew that.

Ron: Yes, I did, Laura. Uh, yes, I did.

Laura: Silly boy.

Ron: How old were you when you found out? Not everywhere does carnival.

Laura: Um, so now I've never really thought about it. Was that a big moment for You?

Ron: Yeah, it was a big talking point in our friend group because it was like last year, friend of the podcast got, uh, Noah's girlfriend Jess, who's from Liverpool, was just like, what the fuck are you talking about? Why is there a carnival in Taunton? You're not from Rio. This is insane. And you're like, yeah, carnival happens every year. There's one in Bridgewater, there's one in. There's one in tuned, there's one everywhere. Um, and she. Yeah, it's not a thing everywhere. It's like a southwest thing.

Laura: I'd never really thought about it once. I think Taunton Carnival, like die.

Ron: No, I think it's still going.

Laura: Does it?

Ron: Yeah. Bridgewater Carnival, I think is the premiere in the area.

Laura: Yeah. Um, I guess I'd never really given it that much thought, Ron, but now that I think about it, that is weird because, yeah, we don't have a carnival in Brighton.

Ron: No, there's not a carnival in Bristol.

Laura: Maybe that needs to be your legacy. Maybe you need to spread carnival.

Ron: I guess that's St. Paul's Carnival, but it's not the same. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it has that much cultural substance, to be honest. I don't know if carnival enriched my life.

Laura: I suppose in Brighton we have pride and that has a carnival.

Ron: But it's not the same.

Laura: It's not the same. It's not autonomous in pride.

Ron: There's no lorry you throw pennies at.

Laura: No, I don't think you throw things. I think that would be anti pride. But. But there are lorries.

Ron: There are lorries. Um, pride. The scouts don't do a bit.

Laura: They might do, um.

Ron: Well, maybe they do, I guess, but it's. Yeah. Is that. No, but it is, um.

Laura: It's different. It's different, but it. Maybe it scratches that itch.

Ron: Maybe Taunton Carnival is like the sort of straight pride event that sort of right wingers have been asking for, for all these years. Just go to the southwest and you've got straighties just marching for fun, throwing.

Laura: Pennies at each other.

Ron: And they do it in the most heterosexual way ever of just doing it. Like late October in the night.

Laura: And you stand and you watch all the lorries go past. And then you march home in a big crowd of people to the car park on very far away. Cause everything was shut closer.

Ron: Mum and dad always used to park on the other side of that, um, alleyway that had all the graffiti.

Laura: Yeah, you can't park there now. It's at Aldi, isn't it? Or a Lidl.

Ron: Oh, is it?

Laura: Yeah. Where the sorting office used to be.

Ron: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Laura: I mean, it might still be.

Ron: Yeah, yeah, of course you're right.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: Bloody hell.

Laura: Uh, times, they are a changing.

Ron: Maybe that's why carnival's dying, because the car park on the other side of that path is gone.

Laura: I tell you what, Ron, I'm gonna put this on. Uh, Patreon ideas. I want a Ron led detention on Carnival, please.

Ron: Yeah, but speci. I don't want to talk about, like, carnival. I want to specifically talk about carnivals in the southwest of England.

Laura: Yep, fine. Done.

Ron: Um, yeah, all right.

I accidentally set up my band's Instagram with our email and. Um, that's not our Instagram

Laura: Um, right, today's episode is triglycerides. And, uh. Wait, is that you logging into Instagram?

Ron: No, not right now.

Laura: Do you have a Pixel 7a in Bristol?

Ron: Oh, that is me.

Laura: Oh, okay, that's

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Laura: that's fine then. Um.

Ron: Oh, no, that's Brian Wilson, Blood boy. Um, that's not our Instagram. I accidentally set up my band's Instagram with our email and. Sorry about that.

Laura: Oh, uh, good thrill. You are so annoying.

Ron: Uh, why am I annoying? That's fine.

Laura: You didn't even tell me that you had a band. And I'm sorry, you're doing the band's Instagram but not the podcasts that you've had for three years?

Ron: I set up the Instagram. I am not doing the Instagram.

Laura: You make me furious, but I am gonna follow you immediately.

Ron: Thanks. A lot of, uh, art is about a character called the Danky Kong.

Laura: Oh, God. I think I'm going to unfollow you. Um, we.

Ron: We sold three tickets to our gig.

Laura: Well done, Ron. We're doing triglycerides today. Uh, you haven't edited the episode, so we can't really talk in detail about what happens in it because neither of us can remember. But trust us, it'll be beautiful. Um, and we'll see you after the show. Hi, Ron.

Ron: Hello.

Laura: Are you back from your sulk?

Ron: God, that's frustrating. M. I made a cup of tea. You said that will work Monday, because every other night that week, um, I have a fancier gig that starts earlier. Implying that you had a later gig today.

Laura: No.

Ron: And I said that I think that might be a hate crime against bank holidays, but I'll do it for the pod. And you said, I think, just like, okay or something. You knew this was a bank holiday. You knew what I was doing.

Laura: Yes, sorry about that. I didn't read your messages properly. Yeah, so every other night I've had gigs. Uh, so basically, I have to be out by 6pm every day except Sundays and Mondays, where I have the whole night free.

This is a new episode since you left. It's quite this podcast. You can just pop through a door and you don't know which episode

Well, should we do a lesson? What's the lesson today?

Ron: Well, no, we're doing an outro right now, aren't, um, we.

Laura: No, I already signed off and ended that one. This is a new episode since you left. It's next week, Ron. It's next week.

Ron: Wow. This. It's quite this podcast. Sometimes, like Monsters, Inc. You can just pop through a door and you don't know which episode you're in after. Uh.

Laura: Oh, look what I just found in the back of my book run. A load of Boggle and a garlic press design.

Ron: Yeah, I'm still a bit cross.

Laura: Why? Uh, now you're up and you can do fabulous things.

Ron: Yeah, I will. I'll make the most of the day now because it's also glorious here. Yeah, but I don't sleep well when I've got to get up because my brain goes for like, from about, like 3am onwards, my brain will wake me up every hour and go, do you have to be up? Why, mate? Why aren't you up? You have to be up.

Laura: You should have said it would be much more helpful for me to do this at 7:30 because then I could have put Child of the Podcast to bed.

Ron: Then why didn't you say?

Laura: Uh, I didn't read your messages properly.

Ron: No, this is your fault.

Laura: Yeah, but I'm not sad, so I don't care. Uh, yeah.

Ron: Then don't be like, what's the mole? What mole?

Laura: I don't know. Girlfriend of the podcast. Judith sent me a message about a programme called the M Mole, and I just was excited in a general way back, but I don't actually know what the show is.

Ron: I think it's something that we watched with Tom.

Laura: Oh, okay.

Ron: And were you not there, uh, with the mole? Big Orange?

Laura: Doesn't ring any bells.

Ron: It's like the, uh, the show where one person's the mole and then they're sabotaging tasks and stuff. We watched it at your house.

Laura: Oh, I didn't think I was there.

Ron: Um, okay, anywho, um, you've got real.

Laura: Centre parting right now. Yuck. You look like a naughty boy from an animated programme.

Ron: It's not good, is it?

Laura: No, it's

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Laura: a lot like, um, Will Ferrell's character in Zoolander.

Ron: I was gonna say it's not unlike, um, the Queen of Hearts.

Laura: Anywho, I must say, younger sister of the podcast, Meg is doing a very good job of keeping the children quiet in the next room?

Ron: Yeah. She's cool, man. She's good at stuff.

Laura: She's not feeling well today.

Ron: How come?

Laura: Traveler's tummy cold. But I haven't been able to help because I've been grumpy.

Ron: Why have you been grumpy?

Laura: Because I've had a job to do that was annoying and it was sunny, but I couldn't go out because I had to get my work done first and I wasn't doing my work.

Ron: Ah. Yeah. I'm not sympathetic.

Laura: You're never sympathetic.

Ron: I'm often sympathetic, just not with you.

You haven't asked once how my weekend was, Ron

Laura: Exactly what subject are we doing today, Ron?

Ron: You haven't asked once how my weekend was.

Laura: I did. I asked you actually in the outro before you slammed off the last week. I said, how was camping? Where did you go camping, Ron?

Ron: I don't think you did. I went camping in, uh, Ross on Y. Oh, lovely.

Laura: Sex education country.

Ron: Canoe down the Wye river as a practise for when I'm going canoeing in Sweden.

Laura: Beautiful.

Ron: Yeah, And I liked it, which is good because I'm going to go do it for four days.

Laura: Yeah, that's a long time. And you're missing the party of the century to be there.

Ron: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be fun. It was a lovely weekend and we did a beautiful walk yesterday.

Laura: Man, you've got middle aged fast.

Ron: What do you mean?

Laura: And you're walking and canoeing weekend in Ross on Wye.

Ron: I've been like this for years.

Laura: Yeah, it happened fast.

Ron: Happened fast a while ago. Right. Anyway, what did you eat? Um, we barbecued both nights.

Laura: Delicious.

Ron: Yeah. Oh, man.

Laura: Were they called Lancelot and Galahad?

Ron: Ah.

Laura: I'll leave in that pause.

Ron: No, the first night because we have gotten. My friend group has got middle aged fast. The first night the food was so good, it kind of wasn't a barbecue, if that makes sense. And we were all slightly disappointed. Um, like I'd brought these lamb steaks that I'd brined in basil, garlic, chilli and pepper for 30 hours. So, like, that was just. It was really, really good. And we had like. Yeah. Glazed chicken thighs and stuff. It was too good for a barbecue. And then the next day we just kind of got shitty stuff to that barbecue. Kind of feeling, you know.

Laura: Well done.

Ron: I brought homemade pickles and salsa verde.

Laura: Good God, Ron. Good God.

Ron: Alright, no homemade pickles for you.

Laura: Yeah. Where's my mango chutters?

Ron: I haven't seen you.

Laura: Whose fault's that?

Ron: You're in New Zealand.

Laura: I've only been here less than a week, mate.

Ron: Yeah, you don't come see me. Why is it always me having to come see you?

Laura: The last time we saw each other was me coming to see you.

Ron: I don't think that's true.

Laura: I do.

Ron: No, you were working. That doesn't count.

Laura: And I came. You always work when you come to me.

Ron: I work so that they pay for the train.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: That's not true.

Laura: Yeah, it is. I wouldn't have to come and see you. I could just go straight home from doing my work. But I come and see you.

Ron: Yeah. No, but you're not like, oh, uh, I want to go see Ron. I'll book a gig in Bristol.

Laura: Yes, I do. Sometimes I don't believe that. I booked a gig in Brussels purely to go and see girlfriend of the podcast, Judith.

Ron: When?

Laura: Uh, June the seventeenth.

Ron: That's fun for you guys.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: I might be there. We should do lesson. I've kind of forgotten how.

Laura: Yeah. Also, I hate science.

Ron: June 17th?

Laura: Yeah, I think so.

Like a Tuesday. Where's she gonna be? Pretty sure that's when her mum's birthday is

Ron: Like a Tuesday. Hopefully it's M. Yeah, M. What? Yeah, girlfriend in the podcast might have fucked up.

Laura: Where's she gonna be?

Ron: Pretty sure that's when her mum's birthday is.

Laura: I guess I'm just doing a gig in Brussels for no reason then.

Ron: Any. I'll leave you guys to sort that out.

Laura, do you remember what we were doing last time in biology

Laura,

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do you remember what we were doing last time in biology?

Laura: No, I didn't even know it was biology we were doing.

Ron: It's biology today. Um, last time we did triglycerides.

Laura: Oh, God, even biology sucks at a level.

Ron: What? No, we're loving it.

Laura: No, we're not.

Ron: We are.

Laura: We're not.

Ron: Do you remember what a triglyceride is?

Laura: No.

Ron: Um, do you remember what glycerin?

Laura: Sounds like explosive, though, isn't it? What's nitroglyceride?

Ron: Uh, nitroglyceride. Trinitrotoluene. No. Um, nitroglycerine. Isn't glycerine a thing? They use it on Mythbusters.

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

Ron: Um, so, Laura.

Laura: Oh, is this lipids and stuff, Ron? Glycerol and three fatty acids.

Ron: Exactly. Yes.

Laura: Uh, none of this has gone in.

Ron: How big is a fatty acid?

Laura: Um. Um, I don't know.

Ron: Well, the answer is they vary in length.

Laura: Okay. Fatty acids. Varying length. Oy. Fatty acid. You vary in length, bruv.

Ron: Do you remember, um, we were talking about R. Ah, groups with fatty acids.

Laura: Um, let me just flick back to the notes. Gosh, this was a long time ago. R groups. Do you mean esters?

Ron: No, I just said esters, wouldn't I?

Laura: An R. Ah, group. I feel like I'm missing a lesson somewhere here. I don't.

Ron: We've talked about R groups in the context of fatty acids and amino acids.

Laura: Oh, I got real itchy nose all of a sudden.

Ron: Oh.

Laura: I'm squatting on the floor and it's so uncomfortable.

Ron: Ah.

Laura: Uh, uh, groups. Like a functional group?

Ron: No. What's a functional group?

Laura: A pattern of atoms that react similarly.

Ron: Yeah, sort of. Yeah.

Laura: Ah. Uh, group periodic.

Ron: Here's the thing. Here's what I'm looking for. Laura, when I ask you what something is, I'm looking for the sort of. The description or the definition of it. It's unlikely, um, to just to have pseudonyms that I want you to name.

Laura: Okay.

Ron: And when I'm asking if the pseudonym. Like. Because some things do have pseudonyms, some things do have multiple names. When you're throwing those at me, if you can't define those, there's not that much point in saying it. Because if I said, what's an R group? And then you said, it's an Esther, and then I would say, what's an Esther? You'd say an R group and we'd be stuck in a loop. So at some point I need you to define something.

Laura: Oh, I can't do that.

Ron: Right. Okay. When you go through sort of the decision tree in your head of, um, what to say.

Laura: Don't have one, Ron. It's just like a steam train going full speed ahead, throwing out passenger answers willy nilly from the windows, trying to make weight.

Ron: Okay, let's, um, let's baby bear this, um, visual metaphor. What about instead of a steam train? It's one of those things that's got someone on each side going.

Laura: My other visual was just someone stirring some soup. And every now and again, something blurps to the surface like a mushroom. Um.

Ron: Like crow pots.

Laura: Yeah. Oh, I love crow pots.

Ron: Yeah.

You should have used this as a chance to get Meg into Magic the Gathering

Okay, well, um.

Laura: Yeah, I taught Meg how to play Patchwork today.

Ron: Which one's Patchwork? Oh, patchwork is good.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: You should have used this as a chance to get Meg into Magic the Gathering.

Laura: I nearly brought some decks and tried to do that, but you know how sometimes she can just shut down and decide, no, I wonder what that's like.

Ron: Yes, that's something. Exclusively. She does? Yes.

Laura: Ron, as the only person that hasn't stormed out of this recording, I feel like I have the moral high ground.

Ron: You do not.

Laura: I

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Laura: do. Listen, ron, we've got 30 minutes until my bum goes completely numb. So I Suggest you teach me some stuff.

I need you to draw out a triglyceride. Triglycerides are condensation reactions

Ron: Okay. Well. So. Okay, I need you to draw out a triglyceride.

Laura: What does it look like?

Ron: It's a glycerol. Along the top. And then what's glycerol on the fatty acids? Look at your notes. What's the fucking point of the notes if you don't know?

Laura: I haven't labelled my notes, so I don't know what anything is.

Ron: Start labelling.

Laura: What does a fatty acid.

Ron: I'm pretty sure it was part of the implicit contract of a level. Is that we wouldn't be starting from fucking zero every single lesson. You must have labelled something glycerol.

Laura: I haven't.

Ron: All right. A glycerol is three carbons long.

Laura: Hang on.

Ron: Each of the carbons has a hydroxyl group on it.

Laura: What's a hydroxyl group?

Ron: Oh, me.

Laura: Is that an.

Ron: Oh, yes.

Laura: Wait, is. Is that glycerol?

Ron: Yes. Label it.

Laura: Found it. Glycer. Uh, glycerol. Uh. I, uh, want to be a glycerol. The trouble is I just always assume that I'll remember.

Ron: And yet you never do.

Laura: No. Okay, I've drawn a glycerol.

Ron: Okay. Can you find a fatty acid?

Laura: I've got a note next to one of my glycerol drawings that says a fatty acid could join here.

Ron: Where's that pointing?

Laura: To the. Oh, uh, is on the bottom.

Ron: Yeah, that's right. Why would they join there? I look like Stephen King when I do this.

Laura: Yeah, it's because of that. That, uh, that electronegativity thing, isn't it?

Ron: Yeah, yeah, it's.

Laura: So that one. This drawing here on.

Ron: Yeah. The one that's labelled fatty acid. Yeah.

Laura: There's a fatty acid.

Ron: Okay. Now, a, uh, triglyceride is a glycerol with three fatty acids attached to it. Could you draw that, please?

Laura: I don't think this is good content.

Ron: Then you should just know it.

Laura: I, uh, can't just know it. You haven't taught it to me yet.

Ron: We have. We had a whole lesson on this.

Laura: Triglycerides.

Ron: Yes.

Laura: So how do I attach three fatty acids?

Ron: Oh, my God. Where do they join, Laura?

Laura: I don't know.

Ron: You know, you just said. You just said, like, minutes ago, you said.

Laura: But there's no space on this drawing. I'd have to change the drawing.

Ron: Yeah. I'm asking you to draw a new one.

Laura: Still with three Cs.

Ron: Yes.

Laura: Oh, bloody hell, Harry.

Ron: C, C, C. They're condensation reactions. God, you really just don't remember Any of this, do you? Uh, the thing is, like, in A level, the next bit builds on the previous bit.

Laura: Yeah, but I'm stuck, Ron.

Ron: We can't just barrel in. Yeah, but then you're like, oh, I'm not sure this is good content. Then I don't know what to do because your brain has just aborted all of this information. And I'm left here like, you know, okay, like that. I'm like roadrunner. What? How? Have what?

Laura: I attached three fatty acids to the seas.

Ron: Why would those be fatty acids?

Laura: You said to put three fatty acids on.

Ron: You've connected three oxygens.

Tron: Connecting three fatty acids to the glycerol

Uh.

Laura: Well,

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Laura: because that's what was on M there.

Ron: Yes. Why would you just take.

Laura: So I just replicated it. Oh, no.

Ron: God damn it. What does O stand for?

Laura: Oxygens.

Ron: Yeah. So obviously that's just oxygen you've attached. One of those carbons has five bonds, so that's not even fucking possible.

Laura: No, they all have four.

Ron: What about the one in the middle?

Laura: Uh, okay, back to the drawing board.

Ron: The whole thing's a fatty acid.

Laura: So what am I supposed to be doing?

Ron: Uh, connecting it to the glycerol molecule on the. And that's the other thing is that you're like, oh, it says on my drawing that it connects by the hydroxyl group. And then you've just connected oxygens to all the carbons.

Laura: Well, I don't like that. That's the glycerol at the top there.

Ron: Yes.

Laura: But that's very different to this other thing that I've drawn over here. Because that hasn't got oh, groups everywhere. That's got H's.

Ron: Look at it again. Tell me if it doesn't have any oh, groups.

Laura: No, it's got one oh group on the end.

Ron: Yep.

Laura: But that's different to what I've drawn here.

Ron: Yes, because that's a glycerol. The other one is a fatty acid.

Laura: What am I doing?

Ron: Connecting three fatty acids to the glycerol in a condensation reaction, which means it loses a water molecule.

Laura: You simply have to help me more than this, Tron. You simply can't say, draw it and expect that it shall be drawn.

Ron: But you've done it before.

Laura: I haven't.

Ron: You have. Uh, we've done this before. Okay. Laura.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: If because of electronegativity, as you so smartly worked out, would be, would mean that the hydroxyl group is the place where this would join on the glycerol, where do you think it's gonna join on the fatty acid?

Laura: The hydrogen.

Ron: What do you mean?

Laura: The carbon.

Ron: What do you mean?

Laura: Those are the only two things in it. The hydrogen again, joined to the hydrogen. Will it.

Ron: You were asking for help, but you might be too thick. You might be too thick to help.

Laura: What if I am just too stupid to do a level science?

Ron: Uh, I think. I don't think it's. What if at this point, Laura, I'm going to say what I said again. If because of electronegativity, as you so smartly worked out, is the place where it would join on the glycerol, using electronegativity again, where do you think it would join? On the fatty acid.

Laura: On the end.

Ron: What end? Which one?

Laura: The right hand side.

Ron: I. I don't. I can't see the drawing. I don't know what you're looking at. Tell Laura. Laura, Laura, Laura, Laura, Laura, Laura. How are you not, like, picking up on the fact that if it's the hydroxyl group on one molecule, it's probably the hydroxyl group on the other one?

Laura: Fatty acid doesn't have a hydroxyl group.

Ron: Why do you always push back on this stuff? Yes, it does.

Laura: Oh, uh, the hydroxyl group. I thought the hydroxyl group was what we were joining onto it.

Ron: Hydroxyl group's just the O and the H. It.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: This used to be the only thing you knew, and now we've lost that.

Laura: What are we doing?

Ron: We're doing trig. This was supposed to be a quick refresher before we moved on to phospholipids.

Laura: Oh, fuck. This is too much. So just go back to the original

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Laura: instruction.

Ron: We're joining a fatty acid to a glycerol.

Laura: You smush two hydroxyl groups together.

Ron: Yes. What's left over is a water molecule. What's water made out of?

Laura: H2O.

Ron: Yeah. So what's. So H2O is lost from that bond.

Laura: Sad. Like Dory.

We've talked about Esther bonds before, but this is new. How are they connected with lines

Ron: Yeah. Could you draw that?

Laura: No, I have no idea how to draw that.

Ron: Glycerol, Fatty acids underneath. Connected. Where the, uh, hydroxyl groups are.

Laura: Yeah, yeah. How are they connected with lines?

Ron: I don't understand how this is so fucking hard.

Laura: Well, because. How do two nohs take up the same space?

Ron: Space. Because I'm telling you that they lose H2O. Some of it goes. We've done this before.

Laura: I don't remember doing this before.

Ron: Chris. You don't remember talking about Esther bonds?

Laura: Gloria.

Ron: Yeah. You made that joke last time. Right. I'm just gonna give you a drawing of him. We're just gonna move on.

Laura: Yeah, I think that's wise.

Ron: Yeah. But the energy is gonna be low from here.

Laura: No, Ron.

Ron: Oh. It's just. It's hard, man.

Laura: Yeah, it's hard for me, too. Right. We've never done that. We have not done that. I've never seen that image before.

Ron: Yeah, we have. We've done triglycerides.

Laura: Uh, we haven't. I've never seen that.

Ron: We have.

Laura: That is new.

Ron: That's not new, because we've talked about Esther bonds. This is why Esther's came up, because there's three ester bonds. And you were like, you can't call one thing ester and one thing carboxylic acid.

Laura: Yeah, but I don't think we did this, though.

Ron: I just don't think you have a leg to stand on saying what we did or didn't do. I don't remember anything.

Laura: I've got functional group patterns of atoms react similarly. Ester, carboxyl group. As the nucleus grows in content, protons, mainly, the positive pull gets stronger, so the shells of electrons are pulled closer, giving more hold and charge to potential bonds. Periodicity, electronegativity, polar bond. And then there's a picture of a glycerol. There is nowhere, uh, that we have covered this.

Ron: Just because it's not in your notes doesn't mean we haven't covered it.

Laura: Yes, it does.

Ron: No, it doesn't.

Laura: Yes, it does.

Ron: Your notes are so fallible, man. So fallible.

Laura: So are you.

Ron: Uh, I'm not.

Laura: You've got 12 minutes left. Do something. Brilliant.

Ron: Okay. Could you. Do you see how the M thing that I've just sent you is the two molecules that we were talking about smushed together with an hdo?

Laura: Yeah, it makes sense. Now. You've got a little, like, index line down the left hand side that's holding them together, and then they're coming off like little caterpillars. It's beautiful.

Ron: Yeah, yeah.

Laura: What's going on in the middle of that bottom one?

Ron: That's got a double bond between those two carbons. M. That actually does bring us on to one of the topics that we wanted to talk about.

What are fats for in a body, Laura? Storage of energy

Laura, do you know the phrase saturated and unsaturated fats?

Laura: Yes.

Ron: Smashing. Well, essentially, um, obviously, what are fats for in a body, Laura?

Laura: Storage of energy.

Ron: That's one. Uh, anything else that you can think of?

Laura: Insulation.

Ron: Absolutely. Anything else?

Laura: Sexiness.

Ron: Absolutely. Something else.

Laura: Um.

Ron: Cushioning protection. Absolutely. We use fat tissue to protect, um, our organs. Hundred percent. We use fat, um, for buoyancy wow.

Laura: Do we.

Ron: Helps. Yeah, yeah. Helps animals float more easily. And then also we can use it, um, for insulation of electricity as well as heat. So, like the myelin sheath around your nerves that will have triglycerides in it to stop the. The current from leaking elsewhere. Like the rubber around a wire.

Laura: That's so interesting. That's the first bit of good biology and a level that, um.

Ron: But energy storage is obviously, um, a big part of it. And essentially, um, with energy storage, it's all about

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Ron: the number of carbons. Uh, sorry, the number of hydrogens is when, um, when a hydrogen comes off that allows you to make, uh, some energy from that material. So that's why fats are so calorically dense. Because, you see, they're just long chains with, um, with lots of hydrogens on it. So however, they can vary in structure. So those two on the top, the ones that are just straight single bonds between all of the carbons, those are what we call saturated fats because there are as many hydrogens on those chains as possible.

Laura: And so when you're converting this fat energy, you're breaking off the hydrogen. That's where the energy is coming out.

Ron: Exactly, yeah. That one at the bottom is an unsaturated fat margarine. So you see, it's missing some, um. It's missing some hydrogens.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: But it also causes a kink in the chain. Causes it to bend.

Laura: Huh. Because of the polarity?

Ron: No, just because of the structure. Because of the double bond. Um, yeah. Which, um, changes the structure on, like, how dense you can pack them in and whatnot. Any questions on that?

Laura: So what? Um. So my vague knowledge is that unsaturated fats are worse for you.

Ron: Yeah. No, saturated fats are worse.

Laura: Oh, I thought unsaturated fats were worse.

Ron: No.

Laura: Why are they worse for you then?

Ron: Saturated fats?

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: Um, I think because of the density of energy, like I was saying there. But also they play different roles in stimulating cholesterol and the blood.

Laura: Right.

Ron: And saturated fats, ah, will, yeah. Increase bad cholesterol and raise good. Uh. Yeah. And decrease. Increase bad cholesterol. Decrease good cholesterol and vice versa.

Laura: Right. Now, uh, the problem we've got here, Ron, is I haven't made any notes on any of that.

Ron: Well, you must have done, because otherwise we haven't covered it, so.

Laura: Right, hang on. Unsaturated, that is not enough hydrogens. Okay.

Ron: Noise.

The main use of triglycerides is as energy Storage

Um, the main use of triglycerides, specifically this, uh, fatty molecule that we're talking about here, is as energy Storage. Um, something that we'll talk about more when we talk about phospholipids as well. But is, um, the sort of hydrophobic property of fats, and then what happens, uh, when you sort of connect them with molecules of different parts? What's interesting about molecules at this stage is that different parts of it will have different properties. So you can have one half of the molecule that's hydrophobic, while the other bit's hydrophilic. You understand what those two words mean?

Laura: So hydrophobic means it does what it doesn't want to absorb in water.

Ron: Yeah.

Laura: But hydrophilic means it does what causes that property.

Ron: Um, can I say, don't worry about that and we'll cover it later.

Laura: But if we're talking about it, am I supposed to be able to know when something would be hydrophobic or hydrophilic?

Ron: Not yet. Well, you should be able to know that fats are hydrophobic because oil and water doesn't mix very famously.

Laura: Yeah. Okay.

Ron: To give you, uh, I'll give you the elevator pitch of why hydrophobic and hydrophilic things are. Uh.

Laura: How do you know that? Um, Hercules had too much body fat.

Ron: Because he went from hero to zero percent body fat.

Laura: No, he was hydrophobic.

Ron: Yeah. All right. Oh, um, it's, uh. Do you know that what the con. The concept of entropy is?

Laura: Oh, uh, we've covered this before. It's not bugs and it's not mind reading.

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Laura: I can't remember.

Ron: Entropy is essentially the, The. The law of chaos that sort of.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: Permeates through everything in the universe. Hydrophobicness happens because of entropy. Um, and it's all about, like, having, uh, the most bonds to everything. And then I think because, uh, it's something to do with. Because fats don't have any polar bonds, they can't, like, interact with the water. Right. So it's better for them to interact with themselves and then for the water to interact with itself. But then if you've got something that's got, like, polar bonds or something that can interact with the water, so that's fine.

Laura: Right.

Ron: You know, common, uh, place that entropy pops up in your life all the time.

Laura: Headphones.

Ron: Yes. Did we talk about this last time?

Laura: Yes.

Ron: Yeah. Fair.

Laura: Tea bags.

Ron: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, headphones is the one that I find really interesting, though. Um, so triglycerides, um, one of the things that makes them good as an energy storage molecule is that you can, um. Uh, they will form, like, insoluble droplets within a cell. Um, so they dissolve and just go everywhere. Like if you try, if, um, if as a cell you try to just sort of keep lots of sugar together, you, you, it would just dissolve and flow out of the cell. But with triglycerides, the, the fatty acid tails are hydrophobic, the glycerol heads are hydrophilic. So what they do is they essentially form a ball with all of the tails on the inside and then all of the heads pointing outside. So the heads are all dissolved in the water. But the inside is not.

Laura: Like those doors that go one way in the membranes.

Ron: Yeah, like something embedded into. Well, what's a membrane made out of?

Laura: Water fat?

Ron: No, it's made out of phospholipids. It's called the phospholipid bilayer. I just sent you, um, a diagram.

Laura: Okay, so we're looking at like a cartwheel with spaghetti's going into the middle and then little peppermint shoes on. It's an insoluble droplet with a single triglyceride. Water soluble molecules cannot pass through. Then there's some little blue circles representing those water soluble molecules, glucose, and then these hydrophilic glycerol heads and the hydrophobic fatty acid tails.

Ron: Yeah. So this property I'll give you a teaser of next time, but we won't go into it too much and then we'll just finish and stop. Um, so that's a triglyceride, um, insoluble droplet.

You retain so little information about lipids, albeit you don't

Um, so what I've sent you there, this is a diagram of a membrane within a cell. Um, so describe it to the listener, Laura.

Laura: Okay, now we've got a series of gates. The spaghetti are, ah, all in gates. Now um, phospholipid bilayer. So all those things.

Ron: Wait, Laura, do you remember when we did membranes before? It was lots of guys and yeah, they were like stood on top of each other and their legs were pointing each other. The legs of the guys are fatty acids. They're fatty acids. The torso of the guy is a glycerol molecule. And then instead of the third fatty acid, there's a phosphate group.

Laura: It's all coming together now, Ron.

Ron: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all coming together. So yeah, the legs of the men go into the middle of the membrane. The membrane. Then you see, you see across the two diagrams you've got those green squares, those are both glycerol. And then, yeah, just instead of the third fatty acid you have a phosphate group which is hydrophilic. So it goes on the outside.

Laura: Yeah. Look at us building on our membrane knowledge. Yeah, I think you should regret being so horrible to me now.

Ron: No, you deserved worse. That was painful.

Laura: Not my fault. You didn't teach it to me.

Ron: I did. I did. Right, can we stop?

Laura: We sure. Cameron. Sorry you had to get up on a bank holiday.

Ron: You're not sorry. I

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Ron: don't think you care.

Laura: I didn't know his bank holiday.

Ron: Well, I did tell you.

Laura: What kind of bank holiday is it? May Day?

Ron: Yes.

Laura: Um.

Ron: One of the loveliest ones.

Laura: Well, enjoy your day now. I've aroused. Oh, uh, no. Roused you.

Ron: I'm out.

Laura: Enjoy your day now. I've got you up early enough to. To enjoy it.

Ron: I got up at quarter to seven.

Laura: You get more bank holiday because of me.

Ron: Yeah, but then you said aroused and ruined it.

Laura: Oh. This quiz is a real burden, um, to me.

Ron: Well, we're kind of doing the quiz across two episodes because you retain so little information about lipids, albeit you don't.

Laura: Make me draw any of the fatty acids.

Ron: Yeah, well, we're not gonna draw anything because, again, the sort of retention. But you're gonna have to describe stuff.

Laura: I'm really good at. Water retention.

Ron: Are you?

Laura: Yep.

Ron: How so?

Laura: I always just look really bloated.

Ron: Mmm. But you never drink water.

Laura: I do, Rana. And especially in New Zealand. I've been drinking so much water.

Ron: Oh, yes, the water very good there.

Laura: No, I've just. I've been to the gym every day since I've been here.

Ron: Nice.

Laura: Except one day and, um, so I've been very thirsty.

Ron: Yeah.

Laura: Also, we're living on the 16th floor and I think that's making me thirsty.

Ron: You're going up the steps every time.

Laura: No, you're on. No. Although I feel quite suspicious. When I was coming in just now, there was a woman hanging around in the lobby, already in the building. And it's one way. You have to swipe to get in the gate to the complex and then you have to swipe to get into the building. But she hadn't pressed the lift button. You don't have to swipe to press the lift button. And I press the lift button. I got in the lift and I did my key fob, um, and pressed 16th floor. She got in, didn't press any button for any floor. Just came up to the 16th floor with me and then immediately headed to the stairs. What kind of lift bingo is this woman playing?

Ron: Yeah, that's tailgating.

Laura: Um, how did she get in the building? Did she tailgate someone else?

Ron: Probably tailgated someone else. Yeah.

So what floor is she going to? Dunno. Um, she doesn't have to swab to get out to staircase from my floor

Laura: So what floor is she going to?

Ron: Dunno. Usually with these things Though if you have to swap to get in the lift, you'll have to swap to get in from the staircase as well.

Laura: Um, she doesn't have to swab to get out to the staircase from my floor.

Ron: No, because that would be a huge fire hazard.

Laura: That's true. Yeah. Smart.

Ron: Um.

Laura didn't tell me what glycerol was at A level

All right, Laura, what's glycerol, then?

Laura: It's a fat. What do you mean, what's glycerol? You didn't tell me what glycerol was.

Ron: Don't look in your notes. That's not how this works at A level.

Laura: Well, I remember us talking about glycerol. I don't think you told me what it is. It's a hydrocarbon chain with hydroxyl groups attached to it.

Ron: How many?

Laura: Three carbon.

Ron: How long's that?

Laura: Three carbon chain.

Ron: And how many hydroxyl groups?

Laura: I'm gonna say three.

Ron: What molecules is glycerol a part of?

Laura: Triglycerides and entropy.

Ron: Don't just say stuff. Four out of five marks. Whoa.

Laura: What happened?

Ron: I spilled tea on my trackpad.

Laura: Oh, dear.

Ron: Laura, while I mop this with my sleeve, please tell me what triglyceride is.

Laura: Don't mop it with your sleeve. That's a nice jumper.

Ron: There it is.

Laura: Um, go and get some tissue. I've got a fluffy kiwi here. If I was in the room with you, we could absorb it into this M. That's the sound of a kiwi. This is nephew of the podcast Souvenir from Auckland Zoo. That's the sound a kiwi makes. I think he's called his kiwi Fluffy because it is quite fluffy. But obviously a real kiwi has feathers. Very different from fluff.

Ron: Ah.

Laura: Ah. You've got your corridor parting again. There's something about Ron running down his corridor that makes his hair flatten like a naughty boarding school attendee.

Ron: My hair is extra fluffy at the moment. Um. Uh, after I left, I popped my head back

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Ron: in to see if you were cheating. Cheating by looking at your notes. But no, you were staring vacantly forward, pressing something against your mouth, like a gormless twang.

Laura: I wasn't. I was playing a kiwi noise for the listeners.

Ron: Oh, I see.

Laura: You were sniffing this kiwi.

Ron: I did. I did think you were just sniffing the kiwi.

Laura: I was explaining to them about the kiwi. I was telling them that it's called Fluffy. Um, and I was playing them the noise.

What's an R group? I really don't know. We've covered R groups upwards of four times

Ron: All right, we're back to normal. Laura, what's a triglyceride?

Laura: Triglyceride, Ron is three glycerol molecules joined together by fatty acids.

Ron: No.

Laura: I thought that was the one with the, like, spine.

Ron: Yeah, but it's three fatty acids joined together by a glycerol, isn't it?

Laura: Okay, yeah.

Ron: Laura, what's in our group?

Laura: Uh, I was just a bit sick in my mouth. Oh, God, that's some sick.

Ron: Oh, don't show me some rice that you haven't chewed.

Laura: That's crazy. I ate so many crisps. Uh, what was the question?

Ron: What's an R group?

Laura: I really don't know.

Ron: What's an ester bond?

Laura: I don't know. We didn't cover that last time. That was in the last.

Ron: That's a phospholipid.

Laura: Is that the. The membrane guys with the hydrophobic and hydrophilic?

Ron: You tell me.

Laura: Is it?

Ron: You tell me.

Laura: No. Yeah, it's that.

Ron: Describe the structure of a phospholipid.

Laura: Oh, they got tails, and they curl them up inside themselves. And then they have their heads on the outside, and they don't want to touch the water, but the head does. Or they have a cartwheel and they have all their feet sticking in the middle. And then they have, like, little turquoise heads going around the outside. Or sometimes it's like an ice cream sandwich with spaghetti legs touching each other foot to foot in the bed. And then turquoise heads run.

Ron: Well, hold that for. Because you're getting. You're getting no marks for this question, but. Laura, what's a phospholipid bilayer?

Laura: A membrane.

Ron: Describe the structure of it.

Laura: The feet touching each other in the middle, and then the head's pointing out.

Ron: Why?

Laura: Because they're hydrophilic feet. Hydrophobic heads.

Ron: So close, but no cigar.

Laura: Other way around. Hydrophobic feet.

Ron: Uh, hydrophobic heads. Because the water's on the outside, isn't it?

Laura: I don't know. There was no water in the picture I saw.

Ron: Well, that was bad. I think that was, like four out of maybe 15 or 16.

Laura: But you can feel that I've engaged with it, can't you?

Ron: M. I don't know. When I asked you what an R group was, you just flatly said. I don't.

Laura: I don't think you've told me. Wait, isn't an R group when you.

Ron: We've covered R groups upwards of four times.

Laura: I do not believe that to be true. Is it R group where you just write R and you just say R? Uh, that is, the picture's going off a bit, and I don't need to draw all of that, so we'll just call it an R. Yeah, it's kind.

Ron: Of the variable placeholder for molecules.

Laura: There you go.

Ron: Did it too late. And also, I said that, not you.

Laura: No, you didn't. I said it, and then you just rephrased what I said.

Ron: Quiz over. Laura, you're bad. Boo M.

Laura: There we go. Ron, that was.

Ron recalls getting shouted at by woman for making too much noise at carnival

Ron: Carnival was also, like, the first time that you're allowed to just hang out with your mates in the evening outside.

Laura: Yeah. I remember getting shouted at by a woman for, um, for making too much noise at carnival. That's in one of my core memories. She just turned around and screamed in my face, and I was like, okay, I guess we must have been making too much noise. But it's literally a carnival, so that feels like an overreaction.

Ron: I'm not siding with this woman, but I do really remember being carnival. Quite a quiet, solemn affair.

Laura: Well, then maybe if more people had behaved like me, it would have had the. The vibe that a carnival is supposed to have.

Ron: No, I think you just quietly watch them go by. Like. I don't even really remember, like, clapping.

Laura: Ron, you're not making this sound great. I can see why other towns are, uh, not that interested in having one. Do you want to invite all the teens of your

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Laura: local area to stand in silence and watch your miserable procession?

Ron: Yeah. And then men that, like, I don't think exist in Taunton. Norton Carnival come round with trolleys full of shiny objects that you are not allowed.

Laura: No, all the other little children are allowed to buy them, but they're plastic tat, so we're not allowed them.

Ron: No, uh, we were not allowed them. One time I did get a balloon in the shape of a dinosaur, and that was awesome. Yeah, balloons were okay. Balloons are not plastic, Tad.

Laura: I kind of. I do understand not wanting four children in the back of the car with, um, things that make whizzy noises. Yeah, well, you really zoned out for a second there. What happened, Ron?

Ron: I was struck. I don't know who it was or where it was, but one of my neighbours stood in front of a light in front of the window, I think because I just saw, like, a person projected on the wall at the other end of the garden. It was weird. Um, yeah, no, I mean, like, I think even if our parents had have bought, like, bought from the trolley man, they weren't getting us all something. It would have been one thing that we'd have passed around.

Laura: It would have been something for you, and we'd all have had to accept. He's the youngest.

Ron: Yeah, but I'd have shared. I was Cool.

Laura: You wouldn't.

Ron: I would have.

Laura: Uh, no, you wouldn't.

Ron: I would have. I was a thoroughly placid boy.

Laura: Yeah, but you'd have pouted and then dad would have gone, uh.

Ron: That'S not true.

Laura: That is true.

Ron: Let's not rewrite history. Everyone loves Ron.

Laura: Yes, everyone had to love Ron because Ron was king of the family.

Ron: That's not true.

Laura: We'll get Sisters of the Podcast on and we'll take a vote on how Ron would have behaved if Ron had been bought what Ron wanted and everybody else had just had to accept it.

Ron: I don't like we're just agreeing that we will never bought any of these things, but now the narrative is that if we had, I'd have been a twat about it.

Laura: Not a twat, just a kid about it.

Ron: Then why is that my fault?

Laura: It's not your fault, Ron. It's just what would have happened. You're trying to paint yourself out as being some sort of St. Francis of toddlers, and that's just not how it went down. Um, have you seen the home video of you when you've walked across that janky path on holiday and then you just stand on the other side of it wailing until someone comes to collect you?

Ron: I needed help.

Laura: Yeah, you always got help.

Ron: I think that's right. For a baby.

Laura: Sure.

Ron: Babies need help.

Laura: I'm just saying that's not what the rest of us got. Cause we didn't have us.

Ron: I'm m sure if you'd walked on a gravel path, someone would have picked you up.

Laura: Uh, do you think, or do you think they'd have gone? Well, you got yourself over there. You can get yourself back. Which one sounds more likely for our parents? Parenting style?

Ron: I do remember climbing into a tree once and just getting left there. Yeah. Anyway, edit this out.

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Laura: It's your edit, mate. Don't you tell me to edit it out. You have to remember to edit it out.

Ron: Out. Okay. Me. Run. Run. Edit this out. Did you remember when got stuck.

Laura: He just. He just hung there like.

Ron: Like a sad.

Laura: I do. Um.

Ron: Oh, that was so funny. I might just bleep the name. That. That was so funny, you know?

Laura: No, Ron. No. Listen, thanks. I hope you enjoyed the Minecraft episode that went out on Friday. Um, uh, and Ron, we've got a register to do.

Ron: Do we?

Laura: Yeah, here, I'll send it to you and you can read it. Um, okay.

Ron: Do you want to do the Rampity Bums?

Laura: Yes. Um, hang on. I can go on better than that. You don't need to follow the link. I'll just copy and paste this.

Ron: Yeah, make more sense.

Laura: Okay.

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Ron: HTTPs documents d1 capital x42 capital b small xr ah2c u0. I might edit that out. I didn't think that was as funny as I thought it would be. All right, do the ruby bumps.

Laura: Stop lighting matches, you fucking weirdo.

Ron: Um, don't worry, I'm editing it out. I like your rumpity bums. Um, a. Ah, big Lex education. Thank you to Jess Mitchell. Jess is the lab rat in charge of bad battery inventory. If there's a battery in the lab, you had better believe Jess has got it in their hand. What you might not believe, though, is how many batteries there are. You might be like, seven. Jess would be like, no. And then you might be like, 15. Jess would be like, can you imagine if there were enough patrons for us to be able to afford 15 batteries? And then Jess will roll their eyes and immediately, immediately begin counting the batteries again. Thank you, Jess.

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Ron: Laura, don't lie to the listeners. The Patreon doesn't keep their podcast advert free. The complete lack of interest from advertisers keeps the podcast advert free up.

Laura: Wrong.

Ron: We would love to advertise on this podcast.

Laura: True. Uh, have you got something that you want advertising? How about Matt pay us to do an advert and we'll bloody do it?

Ron: Um, five pounds and we'll endorse anything.

Laura: Yeah.

Ron: Okay, class dismissed.

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